1 00:00:23,210 --> 00:00:14,300 [Music] 2 00:00:23,220 --> 00:00:26,120 you 3 00:00:30,740 --> 00:00:28,340 my name's Nick Redfern I've had a 4 00:00:33,710 --> 00:00:30,750 interest in the UFO subject for a long 5 00:00:36,110 --> 00:00:33,720 time and one of those people who has a 6 00:00:39,770 --> 00:00:36,120 deep interest in ufology but who's never 7 00:00:42,050 --> 00:00:39,780 actually seen a UFO but how long why I 8 00:00:43,910 --> 00:00:42,060 got interested in the UFO subjects my 9 00:00:46,970 --> 00:00:43,920 dad was in the British Royal Air Force 10 00:00:50,900 --> 00:00:46,980 he worked as a radar mechanic and he was 11 00:00:54,350 --> 00:00:50,910 involved in two UFO incidents in 1952 12 00:00:57,680 --> 00:00:54,360 September 52 and this was at the height 13 00:00:59,720 --> 00:00:57,690 of a NATO operation in the North Sea in 14 00:01:03,140 --> 00:00:59,730 the English Channel which involved the 15 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:03,150 US the UK France various other nations 16 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:05,250 and it was really sort of like a show of 17 00:01:08,930 --> 00:01:07,530 force to the Russians that hey you know 18 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:08,940 if you try and launch a sneak attack 19 00:01:13,870 --> 00:01:11,010 you're not going to get away with it 20 00:01:16,969 --> 00:01:13,880 and over the course of several nights 21 00:01:19,670 --> 00:01:16,979 the radar operators started to track 22 00:01:22,430 --> 00:01:19,680 these strange high-flying fast-moving 23 00:01:24,350 --> 00:01:22,440 objects in the sky nobody knew what they 24 00:01:26,570 --> 00:01:24,360 were certainly wasn't anything that we 25 00:01:30,469 --> 00:01:26,580 were flying because they were performing 26 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:30,479 all sorts of weird maneuvers like coming 27 00:01:35,330 --> 00:01:32,250 to a complete stop from incredible 28 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:35,340 speeds reversing hovering in the sky 29 00:01:41,740 --> 00:01:39,570 this was 1952 and these sightings are on 30 00:01:45,139 --> 00:01:41,750 radar went on for a couple of nights and 31 00:01:46,429 --> 00:01:45,149 my dad was brought in to check out the 32 00:01:48,830 --> 00:01:46,439 equipment to make sure it wasn't 33 00:01:51,529 --> 00:01:48,840 producing false readings and it turned 34 00:01:53,719 --> 00:01:51,539 out it wasn't and other pilots who were 35 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:53,729 sent up to see these things described 36 00:01:58,399 --> 00:01:56,250 seeing classic flying saucers others 37 00:02:00,969 --> 00:01:58,409 described seeing bright lights in the 38 00:02:04,940 --> 00:02:00,979 sky like brilliantly prepare lit up and 39 00:02:07,069 --> 00:02:04,950 it was never resolved everybody who was 40 00:02:09,590 --> 00:02:07,079 involved was taken into a room and 41 00:02:11,300 --> 00:02:09,600 basically told you won't talk about this 42 00:02:14,450 --> 00:02:11,310 this included the pilots 43 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:14,460 the ground personnel the radar operators 44 00:02:20,030 --> 00:02:17,610 the radar mechanics like my dad and and 45 00:02:22,370 --> 00:02:20,040 it was a definitive wave of UFO activity 46 00:02:25,070 --> 00:02:22,380 that actually did worry the British 47 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:25,080 government and my dad didn't tell 48 00:02:29,660 --> 00:02:27,690 anybody until I was about 12 years old 49 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:29,670 and that sort of really got me 50 00:02:35,060 --> 00:02:32,250 interested and and since then you know 51 00:02:37,130 --> 00:02:35,070 I've followed the subject deeply and a 52 00:02:38,420 --> 00:02:37,140 lot of different aspects and angles and 53 00:02:41,089 --> 00:02:38,430 but what kind of 54 00:02:44,209 --> 00:02:41,099 interests me some of the weirder aspects 55 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:44,219 of ufology I'm not someone who just sort 56 00:02:50,059 --> 00:02:47,730 of collects endless reports of lights in 57 00:02:52,580 --> 00:02:50,069 the sky or whatever I sort of folks and 58 00:02:54,559 --> 00:02:52,590 some of the alternative aspects of the 59 00:02:57,050 --> 00:02:54,569 subject that a lot of people don't 60 00:02:59,750 --> 00:02:57,060 really address and one of them is the 61 00:03:01,580 --> 00:02:59,760 men in black mystery and I wrote about 62 00:03:03,849 --> 00:03:01,590 the men in black in my second book 63 00:03:06,679 --> 00:03:03,859 called the FBI files which came out in 64 00:03:08,929 --> 00:03:06,689 1988 and I got quite a bit of feedback 65 00:03:11,270 --> 00:03:08,939 from readers who'd had their own MIB 66 00:03:13,580 --> 00:03:11,280 experiences and so I wrote about those 67 00:03:15,589 --> 00:03:13,590 cases and then that prompted more and 68 00:03:17,979 --> 00:03:15,599 more people to come forward it was sort 69 00:03:20,390 --> 00:03:17,989 of like a spiraling thing going on and 70 00:03:22,729 --> 00:03:20,400 over the years since then I've written 71 00:03:25,159 --> 00:03:22,739 five books on the myth on the men in 72 00:03:26,899 --> 00:03:25,169 black mystery and one on women in black 73 00:03:30,830 --> 00:03:26,909 which is a lesser-known aspect of the 74 00:03:34,039 --> 00:03:30,840 puzzle now when it comes to the issue of 75 00:03:36,679 --> 00:03:34,049 who or what the men in black are I mean 76 00:03:39,050 --> 00:03:36,689 certainly if you asked today anybody in 77 00:03:40,399 --> 00:03:39,060 the general public there say the men in 78 00:03:43,460 --> 00:03:40,409 black are Will Smith and Tommy Lee Jones 79 00:03:45,860 --> 00:03:43,470 you know that's the image that the media 80 00:03:48,050 --> 00:03:45,870 has that the public has because the 81 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:48,060 movies were self phenomenally successful 82 00:03:55,129 --> 00:03:52,650 and I found speaking to friends and just 83 00:03:56,929 --> 00:03:55,139 members of the general public who aren't 84 00:03:59,899 --> 00:03:56,939 fully aware of the UFO subject they 85 00:04:02,390 --> 00:03:59,909 assume that Hollywood literally created 86 00:04:04,699 --> 00:04:02,400 the men in black in the 1990s for the 87 00:04:07,550 --> 00:04:04,709 movies but that actually wasn't the case 88 00:04:10,159 --> 00:04:07,560 the the movies were based on a comic 89 00:04:13,460 --> 00:04:10,169 book series in the 1990s of the same 90 00:04:15,979 --> 00:04:13,470 name men in black now in the comic book 91 00:04:18,229 --> 00:04:15,989 the men in black are described as like 92 00:04:21,110 --> 00:04:18,239 agents of a suit like a secret agency 93 00:04:22,580 --> 00:04:21,120 within the government and that's how 94 00:04:25,339 --> 00:04:22,590 they were portrayed in the movie 95 00:04:28,370 --> 00:04:25,349 spin-offs of the comic book as well now 96 00:04:30,950 --> 00:04:28,380 I don't dispute that at times you know 97 00:04:33,170 --> 00:04:30,960 guys in the military have come out or 98 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:33,180 from the government government agencies 99 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:36,930 and have worn black suits black fedoras 100 00:04:40,850 --> 00:04:38,849 and warned people not to talk about 101 00:04:44,510 --> 00:04:40,860 their UFO encounters there's no doubt 102 00:04:46,879 --> 00:04:44,520 that has gone on but that actually only 103 00:04:49,730 --> 00:04:46,889 accounts for a very small percentage of 104 00:04:51,950 --> 00:04:49,740 the overall number of reports what we 105 00:04:55,659 --> 00:04:51,960 actually have is a massive 106 00:04:58,670 --> 00:04:55,669 body of data which suggests the 107 00:05:02,029 --> 00:04:58,680 overwhelming body of MIB reports 108 00:05:04,909 --> 00:05:02,039 originated with something far beyond the 109 00:05:06,529 --> 00:05:04,919 whole government angle people talk about 110 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:06,539 seeing the man in black and they sort of 111 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:10,650 really pale and skinny and they don't 112 00:05:16,189 --> 00:05:14,370 look well they kind of look nonhuman 113 00:05:18,939 --> 00:05:16,199 some people suggest a sort of alien 114 00:05:22,430 --> 00:05:18,949 hybrid something along those lines and 115 00:05:24,379 --> 00:05:22,440 so in other words there's two sides to 116 00:05:27,170 --> 00:05:24,389 the men in black as the government side 117 00:05:29,659 --> 00:05:27,180 and there's the pre-existing MIB 118 00:05:31,339 --> 00:05:29,669 phenomenon which is the one that 119 00:05:35,060 --> 00:05:31,349 interests me more that the weirder one 120 00:05:37,999 --> 00:05:35,070 and it all goes back to the early 1950s 121 00:05:39,350 --> 00:05:38,009 and a guy named Albert bender now Albert 122 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:39,360 bender lived in Bridgeport Connecticut 123 00:05:47,210 --> 00:05:43,289 and he had a deep interest in UFOs he 124 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:47,220 was born in 1922 so when the UFO 125 00:05:52,490 --> 00:05:49,650 phenomenon began in 47 he was just in 126 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:52,500 his early to mid twenties and he set up 127 00:05:57,350 --> 00:05:54,090 a UFO group called the International 128 00:05:59,830 --> 00:05:57,360 flying saucer Bureau and within no time 129 00:06:02,390 --> 00:05:59,840 at all he had a massive amounts of 130 00:06:05,149 --> 00:06:02,400 people coming along and joining his 131 00:06:08,060 --> 00:06:05,159 group and doing regional research 132 00:06:10,100 --> 00:06:08,070 state-by-state research even to the 133 00:06:12,170 --> 00:06:10,110 point where he started to develop leads 134 00:06:14,659 --> 00:06:12,180 and contacts overseas and there was a 135 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:14,669 like an English chapter of his group and 136 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:16,650 Australian warned in New Zealand warned 137 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:20,610 and sullen and the IFS be went from 138 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:23,849 strength to strength and it was a case 139 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:26,370 that you know benders group which is 140 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:28,650 hardly known today even remembered at 141 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:31,289 all became one it briefly became one of 142 00:06:36,950 --> 00:06:33,570 the biggest most influential groups in 143 00:06:41,779 --> 00:06:36,960 the United States and it was created in 144 00:06:43,670 --> 00:06:41,789 51 and he was close by 53 and Albert 145 00:06:46,909 --> 00:06:43,680 bender quite literally out of the blue 146 00:06:48,890 --> 00:06:46,919 just one day told all his subscribers 147 00:06:51,020 --> 00:06:48,900 all of the people around the world who 148 00:06:54,350 --> 00:06:51,030 are doing work for him I'm done with it 149 00:06:57,920 --> 00:06:54,360 and he said or he alluded to the idea 150 00:07:00,019 --> 00:06:57,930 that somebody had threatened him and you 151 00:07:02,300 --> 00:07:00,029 won't talk about this and a lot of 152 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:02,310 people assumed that bender had been 153 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:05,090 silenced by one of the a bay ABC 154 00:07:10,990 --> 00:07:09,050 agencies within governments and bender 155 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:11,000 didn't deny that only because he didn't 156 00:07:14,530 --> 00:07:13,250 want to talk about it anymore and a lot 157 00:07:16,030 --> 00:07:14,540 of people thought it was a publicity 158 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:16,040 stunt that he was going to come back 159 00:07:21,670 --> 00:07:18,290 again you know sort of along the lines 160 00:07:23,439 --> 00:07:21,680 of your favorite band goes on tour this 161 00:07:26,020 --> 00:07:23,449 is a final two you better all come and 162 00:07:28,180 --> 00:07:26,030 see us you know a farewell tour and then 163 00:07:29,530 --> 00:07:28,190 they come back five years later you know 164 00:07:31,659 --> 00:07:29,540 people feel cheated 165 00:07:33,219 --> 00:07:31,669 that's what people thought was going to 166 00:07:35,530 --> 00:07:33,229 happen me bender you know that it was of 167 00:07:37,330 --> 00:07:35,540 all a publicity stunt and we'd see him 168 00:07:37,659 --> 00:07:37,340 back within a year and that kind of 169 00:07:40,090 --> 00:07:37,669 thing 170 00:07:41,950 --> 00:07:40,100 that isn't what happened Albert bender 171 00:07:45,670 --> 00:07:41,960 really did walk away from the UFO 172 00:07:50,379 --> 00:07:45,680 subject and he confided in several 173 00:07:51,670 --> 00:07:50,389 friends that he didn't get the visit if 174 00:07:53,050 --> 00:07:51,680 you like that a lot of people thought 175 00:07:55,210 --> 00:07:53,060 you know they thought it was knock on 176 00:07:58,210 --> 00:07:55,220 the door and there were these you know 177 00:08:02,020 --> 00:07:58,220 representatives of the FBI or the CIA or 178 00:08:03,460 --> 00:08:02,030 whoever and flash cards and said you 179 00:08:05,379 --> 00:08:03,470 know mr. bender we don't want you 180 00:08:07,810 --> 00:08:05,389 talking about this and put the fear of 181 00:08:10,690 --> 00:08:07,820 God in him so to speak that's the image 182 00:08:13,060 --> 00:08:10,700 a lot of people thought but bender 183 00:08:15,879 --> 00:08:13,070 confided and finally wrote his own story 184 00:08:19,350 --> 00:08:15,889 very briefly and then retired completely 185 00:08:21,580 --> 00:08:19,360 from the subject and he spoke about how 186 00:08:24,310 --> 00:08:21,590 what actually happened he said he was in 187 00:08:25,990 --> 00:08:24,320 his bedroom late one night and he 188 00:08:28,330 --> 00:08:26,000 suddenly started to feel dizzy and 189 00:08:31,779 --> 00:08:28,340 lightheaded and the room was filled with 190 00:08:33,969 --> 00:08:31,789 this odor of like brimstone or sulfur 191 00:08:36,730 --> 00:08:33,979 which is sort of like a classic aspect 192 00:08:38,500 --> 00:08:36,740 of a lot of paranormal activity and he 193 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:38,510 said that he he had to lay down he was 194 00:08:42,399 --> 00:08:40,010 literally starting to feel faint and 195 00:08:44,260 --> 00:08:42,409 light-headed and dizzy so he lay down on 196 00:08:47,860 --> 00:08:44,270 the bed and he said he saw these shadowy 197 00:08:49,890 --> 00:08:47,870 three figures in fedora hats and just a 198 00:08:52,449 --> 00:08:49,900 black suit like a black shadow almost 199 00:08:55,690 --> 00:08:52,459 literally materialized through the wall 200 00:09:00,180 --> 00:08:55,700 and he said there was some tall skinny 201 00:09:04,420 --> 00:09:00,190 pale gorn's and wore these black suits 202 00:09:06,790 --> 00:09:04,430 white shirt skinny black tie and four 203 00:09:09,340 --> 00:09:06,800 old star fedora hats and he said they 204 00:09:11,769 --> 00:09:09,350 spoke telepathically to him warned him 205 00:09:14,079 --> 00:09:11,779 to leave the UFO subject because 206 00:09:16,390 --> 00:09:14,089 supposedly he got too close to something 207 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:16,400 that nobody else in the field had 208 00:09:21,579 --> 00:09:17,930 stumbled upon 209 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:21,589 and bender said that to start with he 210 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:23,330 sort of fought against this threat 211 00:09:26,980 --> 00:09:25,010 because they literally materialized and 212 00:09:30,310 --> 00:09:26,990 dematerializing and would come back he 213 00:09:33,460 --> 00:09:30,320 said on four or five occasions and from 214 00:09:36,130 --> 00:09:33,470 there the threats got worse and worse to 215 00:09:37,690 --> 00:09:36,140 the point where he said that it was 216 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:37,700 almost every night they would appear in 217 00:09:43,329 --> 00:09:40,490 his bedroom and he started to feel sick 218 00:09:45,519 --> 00:09:43,339 and it was almost as if he'd been almost 219 00:09:48,190 --> 00:09:45,529 like supernaturally infected he started 220 00:09:50,050 --> 00:09:48,200 to get stomach trouble couldn't sleep 221 00:09:52,540 --> 00:09:50,060 some of it was probably down to the 222 00:09:55,389 --> 00:09:52,550 stress of it all but he felt that 223 00:09:59,139 --> 00:09:55,399 somehow his health had been deliberately 224 00:10:02,079 --> 00:09:59,149 affected in some way and so he did walk 225 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:02,089 away from the subject and so that's 226 00:10:07,990 --> 00:10:05,450 really how it began now between sort of 227 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:08,000 the mid 50s and early 60s there was kind 228 00:10:15,490 --> 00:10:11,810 of a lull in MIB reports but it all kind 229 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:15,500 of took up a took off again in 1966 when 230 00:10:19,389 --> 00:10:17,330 there was a wave of sightings of the 231 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:19,399 so-called masked man in Point Pleasant 232 00:10:25,180 --> 00:10:21,770 West Virginia now the Mothman was this 233 00:10:29,620 --> 00:10:25,190 sort of gargoyle type flying humanoid 234 00:10:30,910 --> 00:10:29,630 with glowing red eyes that tormented the 235 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:30,920 people of Point Pleasant West Virginia 236 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:33,890 and it all culminated with the collapse 237 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:36,170 of the town's silver bridge as it was 238 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:40,610 called and 34 people drowned as a result 239 00:10:44,860 --> 00:10:43,130 of the collapse of the bridge in Point 240 00:10:47,680 --> 00:10:44,870 Pleasant and a lot of researchers today 241 00:10:51,370 --> 00:10:47,690 see the Mothman as being sort of almost 242 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:51,380 like a Grim Reaper type creature or that 243 00:10:56,190 --> 00:10:53,810 it is a warning type entity that warns 244 00:11:00,040 --> 00:10:56,200 when a disaster is about to happen and 245 00:11:01,660 --> 00:11:00,050 so that banned purely that that theory 246 00:11:05,290 --> 00:11:01,670 became part of the story because people 247 00:11:08,110 --> 00:11:05,300 assumed or concluded that the Mothman 248 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:08,120 itself the fact that it was seen at the 249 00:11:13,030 --> 00:11:10,730 same time the bridge collapsed that it 250 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:13,040 was somehow interconnected now at the 251 00:11:17,319 --> 00:11:15,370 same time people were seeing the Mothman 252 00:11:19,630 --> 00:11:17,329 people who'd seen the Mothman were 253 00:11:22,060 --> 00:11:19,640 visited by the men in black and again 254 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:22,070 contrary to the image that most people 255 00:11:26,470 --> 00:11:24,050 have of the men in black most of the 256 00:11:30,460 --> 00:11:26,480 witnesses said they saw these against 257 00:11:31,990 --> 00:11:30,470 skinny pale guys in badly fitting suits 258 00:11:35,259 --> 00:11:32,000 one or two people said they look like a 259 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:35,269 corpse dug up they kind of walked in a 260 00:11:40,749 --> 00:11:37,490 jerky fashion as well you know sort of 261 00:11:41,110 --> 00:11:40,759 almost like a zombie kind of approach to 262 00:11:44,139 --> 00:11:41,120 them 263 00:11:46,329 --> 00:11:44,149 and again people talked about seeing 264 00:11:48,340 --> 00:11:46,339 these strange men in black literally 265 00:11:50,590 --> 00:11:48,350 kind of manifest in their bedrooms and 266 00:11:53,139 --> 00:11:50,600 warned them telepathically you won't 267 00:11:55,059 --> 00:11:53,149 talk about this and John keel and gray 268 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:55,069 Barker were two researchers who wrote 269 00:11:59,559 --> 00:11:57,410 books on the Mothman and the men in 270 00:12:01,480 --> 00:11:59,569 black mystery chaos was called the 271 00:12:05,170 --> 00:12:01,490 Mothman Prophecies which was made into a 272 00:12:06,670 --> 00:12:05,180 big hit movie in 2002 and Barker's book 273 00:12:07,929 --> 00:12:06,680 was called the Silver Bridge which was 274 00:12:11,439 --> 00:12:07,939 the name of the bridge that collapsed 275 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:11,449 and dozens of people were killed so 276 00:12:16,749 --> 00:12:13,730 that's sort of opened the door to the 277 00:12:19,780 --> 00:12:16,759 angle of the men in black being tied to 278 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:19,790 not just UFOs that weird creatures and 279 00:12:27,009 --> 00:12:22,730 prophecies and you know tragedies and 280 00:12:28,929 --> 00:12:27,019 disaster and death and that again gave 281 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:28,939 the many black more a sort of a 282 00:12:34,990 --> 00:12:32,930 supernatural gothic aspect to them you 283 00:12:36,689 --> 00:12:35,000 know by gothic I mean sort of the 284 00:12:40,980 --> 00:12:36,699 imagery that you would seen old-style 285 00:12:43,269 --> 00:12:40,990 Dracula movies and things like that and 286 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:43,279 what we saw after that was the 287 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:46,250 developments of sort of the second type 288 00:12:50,889 --> 00:12:47,930 of men in black which was the government 289 00:12:52,900 --> 00:12:50,899 people now one of the things you have to 290 00:12:54,670 --> 00:12:52,910 remember is that regardless of whether 291 00:12:57,509 --> 00:12:54,680 you're working in government's or not 292 00:13:00,370 --> 00:12:57,519 back in the 50s and 60s most of the guys 293 00:13:02,499 --> 00:13:00,380 in America the fashion there was suits 294 00:13:05,620 --> 00:13:02,509 and fedora hats you know all the guys 295 00:13:08,889 --> 00:13:05,630 wore those kind of hats and suits so I 296 00:13:10,540 --> 00:13:08,899 think we can make a case that some of 297 00:13:13,809 --> 00:13:10,550 the cases that have been perceived as 298 00:13:15,309 --> 00:13:13,819 genuine men in black cases with visits 299 00:13:17,019 --> 00:13:15,319 from people like the FBI 300 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:17,029 who happens to be wearing a black suit 301 00:13:23,110 --> 00:13:19,370 and a fedora just because everybody wore 302 00:13:26,019 --> 00:13:23,120 those kind of outfits then but there is 303 00:13:28,150 --> 00:13:26,029 enough evidence to suggest at times when 304 00:13:30,730 --> 00:13:28,160 there's been a significant UFO event and 305 00:13:32,350 --> 00:13:30,740 somebody wants the witnesses not to talk 306 00:13:35,199 --> 00:13:32,360 about it they vaguely threatened them 307 00:13:37,509 --> 00:13:35,209 that the government has occasionally 308 00:13:39,699 --> 00:13:37,519 picked up on the legend of the real man 309 00:13:41,590 --> 00:13:39,709 in black the weird ones and essentially 310 00:13:43,150 --> 00:13:41,600 told their guys you know put a suit on a 311 00:13:46,449 --> 00:13:43,160 black suit put the black 312 00:13:48,340 --> 00:13:46,459 on a queered and get the guys you know 313 00:13:51,699 --> 00:13:48,350 threatened and worried and so they'll 314 00:13:53,860 --> 00:13:51,709 never talk about it so I think we can 315 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:53,870 make a case that there's the the 316 00:13:57,670 --> 00:13:55,970 original weird of an in black and the 317 00:14:00,550 --> 00:13:57,680 government has jumped on it a little bit 318 00:14:02,429 --> 00:14:00,560 as a means to protect their back so to 319 00:14:05,410 --> 00:14:02,439 speak when they want to frighten people 320 00:14:07,329 --> 00:14:05,420 by passing themselves off as this 321 00:14:08,889 --> 00:14:07,339 weirder group which they made the 322 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:08,899 government may actually not really know 323 00:14:16,329 --> 00:14:12,410 what the real men in black are but it 324 00:14:18,100 --> 00:14:16,339 acts as a good means and ways to you 325 00:14:20,769 --> 00:14:18,110 know to put the frighteners on people 326 00:14:22,809 --> 00:14:20,779 although most people I found but an 327 00:14:24,369 --> 00:14:22,819 evening ufology think that the men in 328 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:24,379 black ministry really sort of took off 329 00:14:29,470 --> 00:14:27,290 in the early 50s had its peak in the 60s 330 00:14:32,379 --> 00:14:29,480 and then just sort of faded away that's 331 00:14:35,319 --> 00:14:32,389 actually not the case the reason why I 332 00:14:36,550 --> 00:14:35,329 think I've been able to prove that the 333 00:14:38,410 --> 00:14:36,560 phenomena still going on is because 334 00:14:40,629 --> 00:14:38,420 having written five books on the subject 335 00:14:44,079 --> 00:14:40,639 I get a lot of feedback from readers or 336 00:14:46,809 --> 00:14:44,089 people listening to radio shows and so 337 00:14:48,340 --> 00:14:46,819 you know people send me emails Facebook 338 00:14:49,809 --> 00:14:48,350 messages saying hey Nick you know I 339 00:14:52,090 --> 00:14:49,819 actually saw one of these men in black 340 00:14:54,759 --> 00:14:52,100 six weeks ago literally it's like that 341 00:14:56,710 --> 00:14:54,769 and people even today described them as 342 00:14:59,079 --> 00:14:56,720 wearing the old-style black suits and 343 00:15:01,269 --> 00:14:59,089 the skinny black tie the fedoras and 344 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:01,279 pulling up outside people's houses in 345 00:15:08,860 --> 00:15:04,970 old style Chevy's and cars like that so 346 00:15:11,170 --> 00:15:08,870 it's very much going on but I found that 347 00:15:14,170 --> 00:15:11,180 one of the reasons why so many people 348 00:15:17,170 --> 00:15:14,180 are so reluctant to talk about their men 349 00:15:18,910 --> 00:15:17,180 in black cases is because they worry 350 00:15:21,129 --> 00:15:18,920 that people gonna say well you've just 351 00:15:23,679 --> 00:15:21,139 been watching too many movies about the 352 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:23,689 men in black or you've just lied and 353 00:15:27,460 --> 00:15:25,610 you're basing your story on the Will 354 00:15:29,799 --> 00:15:27,470 Smith Tommy Lee Jones movie so a lot of 355 00:15:32,230 --> 00:15:29,809 people ironically the meant that many 356 00:15:36,059 --> 00:15:32,240 black movies gave the subject a lot of 357 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:36,069 publicity but the big irony is it also 358 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:39,170 made people reluctant to talk about the 359 00:15:42,879 --> 00:15:40,730 subject not the other way around as you 360 00:15:44,889 --> 00:15:42,889 would imagine because they were worried 361 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:44,899 that as I said people say you've just 362 00:15:50,439 --> 00:15:48,250 overdosed on too many Hollywood movies 363 00:15:52,420 --> 00:15:50,449 but as I said I still get a lot of 364 00:15:56,269 --> 00:15:52,430 reports to this day and again the vast 365 00:15:59,329 --> 00:15:56,279 majority are of these weird MIB 366 00:16:01,610 --> 00:15:59,339 ones that look strange they act strange 367 00:16:04,519 --> 00:16:01,620 they know if you know people give them a 368 00:16:07,819 --> 00:16:04,529 glass of water or a cup of coffee or 369 00:16:10,579 --> 00:16:07,829 food they always say no and one of the 370 00:16:12,980 --> 00:16:10,589 weird things as well is that very often 371 00:16:15,290 --> 00:16:12,990 they won't come in the house until you 372 00:16:18,170 --> 00:16:15,300 invite them in which kind of sounds like 373 00:16:20,629 --> 00:16:18,180 the old legends of vampires that they 374 00:16:23,509 --> 00:16:20,639 can't come across the threshold until 375 00:16:24,769 --> 00:16:23,519 they're invited and the some cases where 376 00:16:25,850 --> 00:16:24,779 the pate the witnesses have felt 377 00:16:28,970 --> 00:16:25,860 mind-controlled 378 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:28,980 to the point where they felt as if the 379 00:16:33,679 --> 00:16:30,930 men in black were forcing them to open 380 00:16:35,929 --> 00:16:33,689 the door and forcing them to say come in 381 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:35,939 and then then they would step in the 382 00:16:41,090 --> 00:16:38,970 room there are people who've said that 383 00:16:42,619 --> 00:16:41,100 when they were sitting opposite the man 384 00:16:44,090 --> 00:16:42,629 in black you know and the men in black 385 00:16:47,629 --> 00:16:44,100 were grilling them and threatening them 386 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:47,639 they started to feel cold and clammy one 387 00:16:52,730 --> 00:16:50,730 described as how a diabetic person might 388 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:52,740 feel if you know they miss breakfast and 389 00:16:56,900 --> 00:16:55,290 lunch and then it's 7:00 at night and 390 00:16:59,389 --> 00:16:56,910 they start to get the shakes and cold 391 00:17:00,889 --> 00:16:59,399 and clammy that's how when a several of 392 00:17:03,819 --> 00:17:00,899 the witnesses have described how they 393 00:17:06,829 --> 00:17:03,829 felt and others started to feel weak 394 00:17:09,049 --> 00:17:06,839 almost as if in their own words the man 395 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:09,059 in black was sort of draining their life 396 00:17:14,179 --> 00:17:11,970 force from them which takes it far from 397 00:17:18,439 --> 00:17:14,189 you know far away from things like the 398 00:17:20,799 --> 00:17:18,449 Pentagon and the CIA you know and there 399 00:17:23,809 --> 00:17:20,809 are the cases really weird ones where 400 00:17:25,639 --> 00:17:23,819 people have been visited by the men in 401 00:17:27,649 --> 00:17:25,649 black or literally seen them looming 402 00:17:30,470 --> 00:17:27,659 over them in the bedroom after the bean 403 00:17:33,980 --> 00:17:30,480 use in wager boards as if maybe somehow 404 00:17:37,310 --> 00:17:33,990 it had opened a portal or a doorway and 405 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:37,320 let the MIB through in that sense and 406 00:17:41,539 --> 00:17:38,970 and of course you have the spin-off 407 00:17:44,090 --> 00:17:41,549 aspects like the women in black they're 408 00:17:46,149 --> 00:17:44,100 far less well known but when John Cale 409 00:17:51,740 --> 00:17:46,159 was investigating the Mothman Prophecies 410 00:17:54,169 --> 00:17:51,750 in 1967 66 in Point Pleasant he found 411 00:17:56,180 --> 00:17:54,179 that not only were people have been 412 00:17:57,889 --> 00:17:56,190 visited by the men in black but they 413 00:18:00,110 --> 00:17:57,899 would be visited by these pale faced 414 00:18:02,270 --> 00:18:00,120 women in black trying to find 415 00:18:05,120 --> 00:18:02,280 information on abductees and contactees 416 00:18:07,789 --> 00:18:05,130 in the area and they they proposed 417 00:18:08,990 --> 00:18:07,799 themselves as like census takers you 418 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:09,000 know we're here to do a census for the 419 00:18:11,750 --> 00:18:09,690 government's 420 00:18:13,070 --> 00:18:11,760 and they would ask regular questions to 421 00:18:15,410 --> 00:18:13,080 start with you know how many people in 422 00:18:16,730 --> 00:18:15,420 the house how old's a home that kind of 423 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:16,740 thing then they'd start asking weird 424 00:18:21,530 --> 00:18:18,090 questions have you had any strange 425 00:18:23,780 --> 00:18:21,540 dreams or nightmares about UFOs and then 426 00:18:25,220 --> 00:18:23,790 of course the witnesses are thinking 427 00:18:28,220 --> 00:18:25,230 well this is supposed to be a government 428 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:28,230 census not a you know a warning about 429 00:18:32,150 --> 00:18:30,330 UFOs and then of course when the women 430 00:18:35,150 --> 00:18:32,160 in black realize that their cover had 431 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:35,160 been blown they'd quickly leave and I 432 00:18:39,890 --> 00:18:37,770 think there's also a connection with 433 00:18:42,650 --> 00:18:39,900 some latter-day phenomena like the 434 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:42,660 black-eyed children which they sort of 435 00:18:48,170 --> 00:18:44,970 creepy pale face kids with solid black 436 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:48,180 eyes who will also try and get away to 437 00:18:54,230 --> 00:18:51,810 be invited into the home other groups 438 00:18:57,140 --> 00:18:54,240 that are similar if not very similar 439 00:18:59,360 --> 00:18:57,150 these the shadow people and there's a 440 00:19:01,220 --> 00:18:59,370 category within the shadow people known 441 00:19:03,850 --> 00:19:01,230 as the Hat man which is like a one 442 00:19:06,410 --> 00:19:03,860 dimensional shadow wearing a fedora 443 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:06,420 which people typically wake up in the 444 00:19:12,500 --> 00:19:08,850 middle of the night unable to move with 445 00:19:14,870 --> 00:19:12,510 this fedora wearing figure looming over 446 00:19:17,570 --> 00:19:14,880 the bed and I think all of these 447 00:19:18,860 --> 00:19:17,580 different phenomena whether it's the men 448 00:19:20,360 --> 00:19:18,870 in black the women in black the 449 00:19:23,360 --> 00:19:20,370 black-eyed children and shadow people 450 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:23,370 hat man in some way they're all part and 451 00:19:29,360 --> 00:19:27,210 parcel of the same phenomenon and what 452 00:19:31,940 --> 00:19:29,370 they are that's the big question now 453 00:19:34,670 --> 00:19:31,950 some researchers have suggested they 454 00:19:38,060 --> 00:19:34,680 might be sort of human-alien hybrids 455 00:19:41,300 --> 00:19:38,070 because there is that aspect to them now 456 00:19:43,820 --> 00:19:41,310 the men in black do look very pale and 457 00:19:45,710 --> 00:19:43,830 they often have very pointed chins which 458 00:19:49,580 --> 00:19:45,720 goes along with the sort of Grays of 459 00:19:51,380 --> 00:19:49,590 ufology sometimes they have these larger 460 00:19:53,870 --> 00:19:51,390 eyes now the eyes don't look like the 461 00:19:55,550 --> 00:19:53,880 classic greys like solid black but they 462 00:19:56,870 --> 00:19:55,560 are bigger than normal and they hide 463 00:20:01,550 --> 00:19:56,880 their eyes with these wraparound 464 00:20:03,260 --> 00:20:01,560 sunglasses and like the black-eyed 465 00:20:06,740 --> 00:20:03,270 children-- you they have to be invited 466 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:06,750 in the the Hat man looks like the men in 467 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:09,170 black so there's this clear crossovers 468 00:20:14,330 --> 00:20:11,850 so the the hybrid one is you know 469 00:20:16,940 --> 00:20:14,340 probably the most popular for people who 470 00:20:20,660 --> 00:20:16,950 just follow the UFO angle but if you're 471 00:20:22,430 --> 00:20:20,670 sort of looking at the the weirdest ID 472 00:20:23,130 --> 00:20:22,440 you know you've got these strange 473 00:20:25,230 --> 00:20:23,140 vampire 474 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:25,240 parallels now I should stress I don't 475 00:20:31,530 --> 00:20:28,210 believe in literal you know blood 476 00:20:33,420 --> 00:20:31,540 sucking vampires you know some old guy 477 00:20:35,430 --> 00:20:33,430 with a cloak you know like the old 478 00:20:37,530 --> 00:20:35,440 movies I don't believe that but I do 479 00:20:41,970 --> 00:20:37,540 sometimes wonder if the old legends of 480 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:41,980 vampires may have been provoked by early 481 00:20:46,350 --> 00:20:44,290 reports centuries-old reports of men in 482 00:20:48,630 --> 00:20:46,360 black turning up when somebody's had a 483 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:48,640 paranormal experiences that long ago and 484 00:20:55,110 --> 00:20:50,770 it's kind of creating these legends of 485 00:20:58,650 --> 00:20:55,120 these sort of body draining characters 486 00:21:00,360 --> 00:20:58,660 that turn up at night like vampires then 487 00:21:03,120 --> 00:21:00,370 you have the idea of time travelers from 488 00:21:04,710 --> 00:21:03,130 the future coming back to see what we're 489 00:21:07,500 --> 00:21:04,720 doing today which is an interesting 490 00:21:09,780 --> 00:21:07,510 theory because everything about the man 491 00:21:12,420 --> 00:21:09,790 in black is sort of out of time they 492 00:21:13,770 --> 00:21:12,430 drive our cars they wear old suits it's 493 00:21:16,220 --> 00:21:13,780 like they if they're from the future 494 00:21:18,900 --> 00:21:16,230 it's as if they don't really understand 495 00:21:21,380 --> 00:21:18,910 what's going on in the 20th century or 496 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:21,390 the 21st century that's the sell-out 497 00:21:26,490 --> 00:21:23,770 glaringly out of time because of the 498 00:21:28,470 --> 00:21:26,500 clothing and everything so if you look 499 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:28,480 at it like that you know that you can 500 00:21:34,110 --> 00:21:32,650 understand why some people have said you 501 00:21:35,910 --> 00:21:34,120 know they wondered if they were from a 502 00:21:38,130 --> 00:21:35,920 different time and interesting if there 503 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:38,140 are a number of cases where the men in 504 00:21:44,580 --> 00:21:41,770 black have asked the witnesses what's 505 00:21:47,580 --> 00:21:44,590 the time you know and you might say it's 506 00:21:49,740 --> 00:21:47,590 2:30 or something but people wondered 507 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:49,750 maybe they're asking what time is it 508 00:21:56,250 --> 00:21:53,290 what time reality is it which is an 509 00:21:59,660 --> 00:21:56,260 interesting theory and as I said a small 510 00:22:02,640 --> 00:21:59,670 percentage I think our government people 511 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:02,650 but you put all these different aspects 512 00:22:06,990 --> 00:22:04,810 together and what it demonstrates there 513 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:07,000 might be two or three different 514 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:09,850 categories of men in black but we tend 515 00:22:15,780 --> 00:22:12,490 to try and lump everything into one you 516 00:22:17,940 --> 00:22:15,790 know to try and try and nail it down so 517 00:22:20,090 --> 00:22:17,950 to speak but I think we could be dealing 518 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:20,100 with several different phenomena which 519 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:22,570 manifested in different ways one may be 520 00:22:27,750 --> 00:22:24,490 more sort of supernatural based one 521 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:27,760 might be more UFO based and then you 522 00:22:31,140 --> 00:22:29,170 know you've got the government when they 523 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:31,150 want to get involved as well so that's 524 00:22:37,139 --> 00:22:35,530 that's sort of a basic overlook if you 525 00:22:39,899 --> 00:22:37,149 like at the whole for now 526 00:22:41,909 --> 00:22:39,909 from the fifties to the present day and 527 00:22:44,639 --> 00:22:41,919 there are a number of interesting 528 00:22:46,169 --> 00:22:44,649 reports which with hindsight sound like 529 00:22:48,570 --> 00:22:46,179 men in black cases but which occurred 530 00:22:50,459 --> 00:22:48,580 back in you know the 19th century in the 531 00:22:53,820 --> 00:22:50,469 18th century I mean I've got a really 532 00:22:57,149 --> 00:22:53,830 interesting one from the early 20th 533 00:23:00,239 --> 00:22:57,159 century I think 1908 when there was a 534 00:23:03,930 --> 00:23:00,249 wave of UFO activity in Wales in the UK 535 00:23:05,849 --> 00:23:03,940 and strange lights was seen flitting 536 00:23:08,609 --> 00:23:05,859 around this little village and then two 537 00:23:12,239 --> 00:23:08,619 days later a black horse pulled up with 538 00:23:13,889 --> 00:23:12,249 a black carriage with a black rider on 539 00:23:16,649 --> 00:23:13,899 top of the carriage warning people not 540 00:23:19,919 --> 00:23:16,659 to see talk about these strange lights 541 00:23:22,169 --> 00:23:19,929 they'd seen there was no black car there 542 00:23:24,659 --> 00:23:22,179 was no black suit in the fedora but 543 00:23:26,820 --> 00:23:24,669 there was a guy in a black cape sitting 544 00:23:29,700 --> 00:23:26,830 on top of a black carriage pulled by two 545 00:23:34,049 --> 00:23:29,710 black horses you know and so it's almost 546 00:23:36,810 --> 00:23:34,059 as if the phenomenon has changed and 547 00:23:40,109 --> 00:23:36,820 altered itself to reflect the people of 548 00:23:44,249 --> 00:23:40,119 different eras and a way to blend in as 549 00:23:45,839 --> 00:23:44,259 well so what begins from the perspective 550 00:23:47,879 --> 00:23:45,849 of how you assume the men in black 551 00:23:50,879 --> 00:23:47,889 phenomenon has developed in what it is 552 00:23:53,249 --> 00:23:50,889 when you look at the overall totality of 553 00:23:55,709 --> 00:23:53,259 it it's a very very different to what 554 00:23:58,109 --> 00:23:55,719 most people assume it to be and that's 555 00:23:59,940 --> 00:23:58,119 sort of why I enjoy doing this 556 00:24:03,089 --> 00:23:59,950 particular lecture on the men in black 557 00:24:05,579 --> 00:24:03,099 because it opens people's eyes to the 558 00:24:07,499 --> 00:24:05,589 idea of well the men in black are not 559 00:24:09,950 --> 00:24:07,509 what I thought they were and I think 560 00:24:13,169 --> 00:24:09,960 it's important to get across to people 561 00:24:15,299 --> 00:24:13,179 the reality of this rather than just the 562 00:24:17,789 --> 00:24:15,309 assumption that it's a bunch of guys 563 00:24:20,849 --> 00:24:17,799 from the CIA which which it's clearly 564 00:24:23,849 --> 00:24:20,859 not unless the guy you know the CIA is 565 00:24:27,299 --> 00:24:23,859 employing hundreds of paleface little 566 00:24:29,369 --> 00:24:27,309 skinny guys you know who could mow can 567 00:24:31,979 --> 00:24:29,379 affect your mind which is clearly not 568 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:31,989 the case you know we cannot blame this 569 00:24:36,469 --> 00:24:34,330 one on the government's but who we can 570 00:24:39,930 --> 00:24:36,479 blame it on he's still very much sort of 571 00:24:42,450 --> 00:24:39,940 open to debate really one of the big 572 00:24:45,930 --> 00:24:42,460 questions I often get asked is why do 573 00:24:47,879 --> 00:24:45,940 the men in black so glaringly stand out 574 00:24:50,220 --> 00:24:47,889 you know why aren't they sort of 575 00:24:53,220 --> 00:24:50,230 blending in by where and say 576 00:24:55,110 --> 00:24:53,230 shirts jeans etc etc why they always 577 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:55,120 still wearing the clothing that wore 578 00:24:59,250 --> 00:24:56,490 back in the forties and fifties 579 00:25:02,280 --> 00:24:59,260 including the hats which really kind of 580 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:02,290 stand out and it's it's one of those 581 00:25:08,100 --> 00:25:04,650 issues that has never really been 582 00:25:10,070 --> 00:25:08,110 resolved now if they are alien-human 583 00:25:13,890 --> 00:25:10,080 hybrids or something along those lines 584 00:25:16,470 --> 00:25:13,900 then you would imagine that they would 585 00:25:18,570 --> 00:25:16,480 have to have some sort of programming or 586 00:25:21,659 --> 00:25:18,580 teaching to show how they could 587 00:25:24,090 --> 00:25:21,669 infiltrate society and not be noticed 588 00:25:27,180 --> 00:25:24,100 but the most glaring thing about the men 589 00:25:29,190 --> 00:25:27,190 in black being the clothing they are 590 00:25:31,230 --> 00:25:29,200 noticed and people remember them they 591 00:25:33,539 --> 00:25:31,240 never forget the day when this weird guy 592 00:25:36,510 --> 00:25:33,549 turned up in this weird suit and looking 593 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:36,520 pale so in other words if they're trying 594 00:25:41,909 --> 00:25:39,490 to silence a silence us they're doing 595 00:25:43,830 --> 00:25:41,919 not a particularly good job from the 596 00:25:46,770 --> 00:25:43,840 perspective of not leaving a trail 597 00:25:49,530 --> 00:25:46,780 because everybody remembers them the 598 00:25:53,130 --> 00:25:49,540 only thing I can kind of think of there 599 00:25:56,669 --> 00:25:53,140 is two possibilities one is that if they 600 00:26:00,180 --> 00:25:56,679 are so strange and they are hybrids 601 00:26:06,870 --> 00:26:00,190 maybe they still haven't fully grasped 602 00:26:10,890 --> 00:26:06,880 the angle of finding a good proof you 603 00:26:12,780 --> 00:26:10,900 know a good way of ensuring that they 604 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:12,790 won't be noticed or they won't be 605 00:26:16,740 --> 00:26:14,410 recognized but they still not doing a 606 00:26:18,750 --> 00:26:16,750 good job the other angle of course is 607 00:26:21,360 --> 00:26:18,760 that they may deliberately dress in the 608 00:26:25,289 --> 00:26:21,370 black suits and the hats and the 609 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:25,299 sunglasses as a means to instill fear I 610 00:26:30,270 --> 00:26:27,010 mean the one thing about the black suit 611 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:30,280 is that it kind of creates the imagery 612 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:33,850 of somebody in charge you know what I 613 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:35,530 mean it's it's like whether it's 614 00:26:39,030 --> 00:26:36,850 something the government's or the 615 00:26:41,580 --> 00:26:39,040 military it has this air of authority 616 00:26:43,230 --> 00:26:41,590 about it the black suits in the Hat you 617 00:26:45,419 --> 00:26:43,240 know the door you know you look through 618 00:26:47,070 --> 00:26:45,429 the door spyhole knock on the door late 619 00:26:48,810 --> 00:26:47,080 at night you see these guys just stood 620 00:26:53,010 --> 00:26:48,820 there in the black suits it does have 621 00:26:55,919 --> 00:26:53,020 this sense of power and authority and it 622 00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:55,929 puts the man in black in the in the 623 00:27:00,000 --> 00:26:57,610 forefront if you like they're the ones 624 00:27:02,159 --> 00:27:00,010 that have the power where the witness 625 00:27:02,730 --> 00:27:02,169 becomes the victim because of the fear 626 00:27:07,260 --> 00:27:02,740 and 627 00:27:10,370 --> 00:27:07,270 so I think it could be a psychological 628 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:10,380 angle it may well be they know exactly 629 00:27:15,180 --> 00:27:13,090 the fact that they're standing outs and 630 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:15,190 look menacing and they're never going to 631 00:27:20,100 --> 00:27:17,770 be forgotten but that may be part of it 632 00:27:23,030 --> 00:27:20,110 it might be a psychological approach to 633 00:27:24,930 --> 00:27:23,040 use that fear factor of authority to 634 00:27:28,530 --> 00:27:24,940 essentially make sure that the person 635 00:27:31,140 --> 00:27:28,540 won't say something and admittedly most 636 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:31,150 of the stories I guess I do get some as 637 00:27:36,420 --> 00:27:34,330 I said I do get some cases where the men 638 00:27:39,150 --> 00:27:36,430 in black have been seen in in recent 639 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:39,160 years in recent months but most of the 640 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:41,410 cases I get people have stayed quiet for 641 00:27:48,120 --> 00:27:44,770 10 15 20 years in fact I got one case 642 00:27:50,310 --> 00:27:48,130 from a guy who know very elderly and he 643 00:27:51,750 --> 00:27:50,320 was only at five or six when he had to 644 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:51,760 get an encounter with the man in black 645 00:27:56,700 --> 00:27:54,970 in 1933 and this was in relation to a 646 00:28:00,210 --> 00:27:56,710 UFO case and he didn't talk about it 647 00:28:03,150 --> 00:28:00,220 till about 2007 so that shows the sheer 648 00:28:05,790 --> 00:28:03,160 level of fear that people have so I 649 00:28:08,550 --> 00:28:05,800 think it's an either I or think that 650 00:28:12,180 --> 00:28:08,560 they still don't know how to blend in 651 00:28:14,730 --> 00:28:12,190 which is kind of not really feasible but 652 00:28:17,850 --> 00:28:14,740 it is slightly feasible but it more 653 00:28:20,550 --> 00:28:17,860 likely they deliberately dress weird and 654 00:28:23,100 --> 00:28:20,560 menacing because they want to Menace us 655 00:28:25,410 --> 00:28:23,110 and they want to silence us so it's a